Tuesday, August 02, 2005

A Relative Speaks

I have been communicating with one of Duncan's close relatives for a couple weeks. Yesterday, this person shared some information with me that they said I should publish. Today, after getting another confirmation that, yes, I may put this on the blog- they WANT me to put this on the blog... Here it is:

(While these are actual quotes from this person, I have substituted certain words to help keep this person's anonymity. All words inside [brackets] are mine, but those in (parentheses) are this person's words.)

  • Joe Duncan, Jr. [Jet's father] "never did anything inappropriate to [his daughters]."
  • "He worked 2 and some times 3 jobs to support [his family] and was not around very much because he had 5 kids and [a wife] to support, He never showed [the children] any kind of compassion ( i.e. love) due to being a Vietnam vet, a military man, and working his self to death trying to support [his family]. ( he was never around)."
  • "[The mother/wife] on the other hand, was very abusive toward [the children] and [her husband]."
  • "all [the father] did was tell [one of his daughters] he loved her, (just as I do with my [children] all the time), he had never said that before and [this daughter] didn't know what to think. so she told [the mother], [and the mother] accused him of her worst fear."
  • "so [Joe E. Duncan, Jr.] is guilty of caring for his kids and didn't know how to show [the children] that he loved [them]."
  • "Please set these people straight."

You got it!

There have been many discussions about Duncan's father amongst Cellar Dwellers and other internet communities and blogs. Trying to make sense of the much-redacted public documents concerning Duncan's family history have lead to some sinister theories and serious accusations about the father.

Naturally, a family member might deny this. But look again at what this person wants everyone to know, and instead plug some of THESE bits of information into the redacted portions of the documents. Something else becomes clear, does it not?

18 comments:

bloo said...

These statements confirm what I've always suspected and what JET's psych evaluations indicate. JET has erroneously placed blame on his father.

JET is a liar and will tell any pyshciatrist what he thinks they want to hear.

JET's psych eval said it best, where it states: "There were a number of inconsistencies in the information provided by Mr. Duncan as reported by various investigators, psycholgists, and others. These inconsistencies are cause for concern as they reveal an individual who is quite skilled at lying".

Anonymous said...

I guess you're saying it wasn't Joe jr. who abused the children. It was the mother who abused the children?

JoJoFox said...

Jet has admitted that he often times exaggerated his past incidents in order to get into a program..or out of one. So it does not surprise me that we should doubt the validity of his claims....As far as who was abusive....yelling too much can be considered abuse...certain punitive consequences can be called abusive ( locked in a bedroom for too long, going to bed without supper...etc)
What is clear here is that these parents were not happy..and misery does spread to the children....there was intense discord and dysfunction.

My concern is ..we know that most sexual offenders have been abused in their own childhoods. Could there have been other incidents of sexual abuse in Jet's life that did not occur with his parents...he mentioned an incident with a doctor...?

Anonymous said...

Also JED made statements in documents that he was sexual molested by two older sisters...any thruth to that accusation?

Ult said...

I've said all along it stemmed with the mother ,,,, no mother Duncan bashing here but it is very obvious to me that this woman did not do her best at talking to Duncan when he confesses to her on May 13th 2005 that he has every intention of hurting as many people as he can and then dying.
Even the most sluggish of mothers could have charmed him into coming home or jumped in a car and driven to him. But.... those peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the homeless and church volenteering seemed to take priority over her mentally ill Jet's entitled massacre just 2 days after.

JoJoFox said...

I would be careful about expecting so much from family members of mentally ill people...It's a mile you have to walk on your own before you know how excruciatingly hard it is. My ex fiance's mother was mentally ill..antisocial, schizophrenic -it was no picnic and no amount of reasoning and "running" to her would stop her incidents or cure her! They make no sense..and their benavior can ruin not only their own life, but the lives of their entire family..if allowed to.

There was only so much that the Mrs Duncan could do or be expected to do. We do not know that Duncan "confessed" to her on May 13th. That is an unfounded assumption. His blog statement that "my mother is crying right now because her son is in trouble again" could be his projection of what he "supposed" would be "IF" his mother knew what was going on based on her past reactions to his behavior. As if I would say, "My father is 'rolling in his grave' that I bought a foreign car"....(he isn't really..but he would if he knew)
All thatv we know about Mrs Duncan says she is a responsible law abiding citizen.. we have no proof that she would knowingly not report Jet's illegal intentions .
I tend to feel compassion for the mom. For myself...I can not imagine what it must have felt like to be her....a seriously mentally ill son, an unfaithful, absent husband..and other children to raise..besides being middle aged with my best years behind me....huh? She did what she needed to do. Not an easy road to walk and one I am sure she not ask for. Not perfect, but her other four children are responsible grown adults...Right? How would any of us "manage" or "respond" to a son like Jet ???
It would be enough to drive anyone crazy. She remained sane..I say she did what she had to do! My heart goes out to her.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, this isn't about the current entry. I can't figure out how to post a comment without connecting it to a specific entry....

I just wonder if you have any idea how totally illegible your blog is to a lot of would-be readers. The only way I can read your entries is to either highlight all the text first or change the accessibility options to "ignore colors on webpages." For that reason I rarely read this site. There's not enough contrast between the font color and the background color. If you absolutely must use a black background color, PLEASE consider using a text color with greater contrast and/or a larger font size. Preferably both.

If you don't believe that a lot of people find your site hard to read, check out this messageboard conversation: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=751563&highlight=accessibility#post751563

Please note posts 87, 88, 90, 91!

Capt. Fantastic said...

anonymous said:
"The only way I can read your entries is to either highlight all the text first or change the accessibility options to "ignore colors on webpages." For that reason I rarely read this site. There's not enough contrast between the font color and the background color. If you absolutely must use a black background color, PLEASE consider using a text color with greater contrast and/or a larger font size. Preferably both.

If you don't believe that a lot of people find your site hard to read, check out this messageboard conversation: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=751563&highlight=accessibility#post751563
"
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Hi anonymous-

I am well aware of some users' issues with the blog and forum color schemes. At the inception of both- by the previous blog owner- approval by the Cellar Dwellers was quite favorable. ;)

However, the viewer's gestalt is important to me, and I am no stranger to communication design. I have been working on changing the color schemes as more people are visiting and remarking on their inability to "deal" with the colors and text.

Besides, not everyone has a monitor like mine that is calibrated for specific graphic quality and to my specific lighting situation. ;) I realize this, I do. Change is in the works.

Thanks for your input.

Anonymous said...

Who knows how many kids Duncan has killed. It could be in the 100's. I have a feeling this wacko will go down as one of the worst child sexual serial killers in U.S. history. After all he has been raping other children since he was a child himself. Anthony, may God rest your soul & Duncan may yours burn in Hell for eternity.

caprisleuth said...

My opinion is that it serves no useful purpose to begin the blame game, regarding either parent. It is an example of the wreckage that a criminal spreads everywhere, even within his own family, people begin to point the finger at each other, but I think his parents did their best with what they had to work with, he has admitted he was a sexual deviant from a very young age, and he is the perpetrator of all this carnage, he must take responsibility. Also, when you quote a family member anonymously, it creates problems for those who want to then defend themselves against possible slander and have no name to put it to. It sounds like it was the only way to quote the person, but they will eventually own their words, to do otherwise would be to live in a state of shame for what others have done.

Anonymous said...

Why doesnt someone go to Vista, California and interview Duncan's dad?
The FBI.Geraldo. NBC Dateline. LA Times.
And why doesnt someone interview the bitch, his Mom who lives in Tacoma?
Spokane Review, tacoma times, Tacoma press, Geraldo etc. No soft questions.Get on their ass's. Ask where his sisters are? They were weird and probaly molested him all the time?


Also why isnt anyone interviewing DR Wacky..Wacksman. Its obvious he was heavily involved as a doctor who lived in Tacoma when Dunc did. He is a Jekl and Hyde
a bi sexual high iq nutjob who has formed and controlled Duncan for a long time.He may be directly responsible for Duncans madness?

In Tacoma, they became"friends.

In March 1997, Duncan gets out
of prison and takes his girl friends white car and flees parole.Later was caught and put back in prison until July 14.
Guess who meets him in San Francisco than? Dr Wacksman. Why? Sex obviously and was there more? Something that caused
him to alledgly to strike that ten yr boy from Beaumont California( close to Vista)? Molest and kill?
This is 1997 March and at that time Dr Wacksman is
a doctor at meritcare in Fargo..a doctor for critical care.. Wackman was there in Fargo from 1991 when he moved from Tacoma until 2003 when he left right after the Detroit Lakes molestation.
Remember too Wackman brought "his friend' Dunan to Fargo in July 2000 when he was released after 20 yrs from prison.
When he fled Fargo, officers found two air tickets in his apattment, one to Denver and the other to Fort Lauderdale
which is close to New Port Richey where Dr Wackman moved in 2003. So right to the end the man was involved again in Duncans life Tell me didnt know about his molestations?Killings? Dressing as woman and going out nights.
How often did he go to meet Wacksman?

Also what was his private life like with the man from fargo who gave him $15k that he used to get out on cash bail? Joe Crary? Where are the police asking questions of him? The FBI?
Theres more here? If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck..its a duck....

gine said...

JoJo you are good at the sleuthing, I read that Duncan met Wacksman in San Francisco, same time frame as Martinez's murder. . . . . . . .might explain why the noble doctor befriended him. Now I guess I'm reaching a bit, but I've often wondered how that came about, if it was just sex, or the deviancy.

As far as Duncan's family is concerned I FEEL for them, except his mother. I don't believe the sisters molested him, I don't believe the father molested him, I do believe the mother is a total mental job herself and that if anyone besides Duncan himself should share blame it should be his mother. Good job guys on the Martinez break. I've been away on other things for a while, so I haven't posted, but I've been lurking around.

Ult said...

Both parents or one parent have a responsibility to society that they make certain their child is respectful of others and must assume responsibility for all their actions before allowing them to socialize and go out into public.
It's demanded of dog owners and most certainly for all mankind. There is no logic in thinking the State, Fed's or taxpayers need carry the burden of disiplining these evil child rapist thugs only after they torture an entire village. If the parents are not able to see this duty then responsibility falls on the clan since they know all to well that little tiny helpless children are in grave danger and there is nothing to lose by disposing of his unclean spirit. If the clan hasn't the decisive ability to carry out their duty then society must aggresively go after this preying cancer.

If I were cursed with a dark violent child such as Duncan I would have taken care of the problem after he hurt the first child.

The unfortunate parents of these dark children are ostersized from communites and ultimately die ashamed and broken hearted by what these children did.

I have noted that Spyder made comment about Duncan being a "mama's boy" and suspect that the mother repeatedly protected Duncan and made excuses for his violent behavior.
I've seen this trait in my mother in-law who at the age of 88 will lie and cover as alibi for her mentally-ill son, a brother-in-law and his repeated bizarre sexual/ criminal behavior. She repeatedly tries to make his siblings feel obligated in helping him. Or manipulating them financially on his behalf .
She was once a wealthy woman but now impoverished after spending all retirement on a dozen or so arrests, bail, and defense attorneys.
These types of mothers are our enemy.

JW said...

Can you imagine how many murders this guy would have committed if he had not been in prison for those 17 years. To me, this is a terrifing thought and also to know that there are convicted sex offenders out there that have been set free.

Capt. Fantastic said...

jw:
" Can you imagine how many murders this guy would have committed if he had not been in prison for those 17 years"

Yep, I imagine everytime he got stressed out or felt the police were watching him, he'd be off killing someone else. It IS terrifying.

gine said...

Ult, I agree with you 100 percent. At the age of 15 my middle son stole about $150 from my father. My father was gonna just let it go, but I said no way hosea. I called the Sheriff, told him what happened, and that I wanted my son to be responsible for his actions and learn that there are consequences, whether they are good or bad, and that depends on what actions we take. He spent 3 days in juvvie, 3 months probation, and he hasn't stolen anything else and he is 21. Says it is the best thing I ever did for him. Was it hard? HELL YEAH, but being a parent is hard ;)

Ult said...

Amen to that sister, your son has earned your trust and respect in return as well as your father. You have set an example within him that will also carry on for at least 3 more generations.

These are the laws that were layed down in my clan hundreds of years ago and we have never produced any thing but honerable men and women but the iron hand had to come down hard on many of them as teens to set them back on
the only proper path.
I remember a day when a man stepped into someones house with a hunting knife they were taken care of by the men. We never had to worry about those things. Now the men just let it all fall on the police who in their own right are to scared to take care of these deviates.

InlandEmpireCA said...

Anonymous said...
Why doesnt someone go to Vista, California and interview Duncan's dad?

Answer: Because he doesn't live there and hasn't for years as far as I can determine. Vista was where he was living in October of '87 where it was stated on one of JETS files.

I don't know at period of time he relocated to Highland, CA (San Bernardino)but it has been reported that he lived in Highland from '93-97.

Highland, CA is only 23 miles (freeway all the way) to Beaumont, and then another straight shot to where Anthony martinez's body was found.

Now, I have read un-comfirmed reports that JETS dad lives outside of Las Vegas. I would guess the authorities have contacted him there.