Friday, July 15, 2005

How did Duncan have so many people blinded?

Supporters crawling out of the woodwork!

Even while in prison, Joseph Duncan III attracted advocates who lobbied for his early release, paying for lawyers, complaining to state lawmakers and browbeating state correctional officials in letters and in person.
"He is open, honest and eager to move on with his life," one such supporter, named David Woelfert, wrote to parole officials in 1993. "He is no threat to society whatsoever."

But a decade ago, Woelfert was so taken with the young inmate that he loaned him $3,000, paid his initial rent in a halfway house and reportedly became Duncan's lover, even as Duncan dated women and experimented with cross-dressing.
"It is my intention to back him, support him, and help him in any way possible upon his release," Woelfert had written in 1991, shortly after meeting Duncan. "I will 'be there' for him. I believe him. I believe IN him."

By 1997 – after Duncan had fled the state, violated his parole rules and landed back in prison – Woelfert felt very differently.
"He had been the source of my greatest pride and now (has) become the greatest source of shame and embarrassment," he wrote Duncan's parole officer in August 1997, two nights after Duncan was arrested on a fugitive warrant in Missouri.

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20 comments:

Anonymous said...

By 1997 – after Duncan had fled the state, violated his parole rules and landed back in prison – Woelfert felt very differently.

"He had been the source of my greatest pride and now (has) become the greatest source of shame and embarrassment," he wrote Duncan's parole officer in August 1997, two nights after Duncan was arrested on a fugitive warrant in Missouri.

This is not a witch hunt. He already acknowledged he was manipulated by Duncan. Unless there is further evidence of Woelfert's contact with Duncan since Duncan's release, give a 'link' or let the man punish himself for however he unknowingly participated in Duncan's behavior and subsequent crimes since his last contact with Duncan.

Mickey, are you so hard up for 'fresh' news? Try digging up his family, neighbors, coworkers, grocer, society, computer geeks and me (who never heard of Duncan until July 2005) for somehow being responsible for Duncan's behavior.

I applauded your blog up until the point you began to mimic him.

I am sure many folks might like to contribute, those who knew Duncan, but not if you humiliate them without defense or cause.
In fact, that is what this blog lacks: personal insight. All I have seen are contributors who do not know Duncan. Attacking.
Wouldn't it be grand if those who knew Duncan might feel safe to contribute?

Enough said.

I am not a fan of Duncan's but I am a fan of fair reporting.

I hope this gives those who knew Duncan a chance to report their views.

Those who donated money to Duncan are too publicly shamed to talk. They shouldn't be unless they had cause to be shamed.

Others may be scared to talk because they also will be 'shamed' to have known Duncan. Honestly, if this was a man I had seen in my everyday life, I may also be reluctant to speak due to public speculation and dishonor before proven to be guilty.

Mickey Rat said...

I am going to amend the title...I was a little off base with the title.

Mickey Rat said...

Please understand that when you put as much of yourself into this as I have, you get to the point where you want to pull your hair out because all of these people KNEW what he was...his first crime, the rape of that 14 year old boy (did you read the reports of what he did to him) was in NO way a small thing...no today look what he's done...you just want to ask these people WHY?
If you want to help someone, help a hungry child, help a senior citizen, help someone who needs help...DUNCAN IS WAY PAST BEING HELPED AND HE PROVED THROUGH WHAT HE HAS DONE THAT HE WAS WAY PAST HELP THEN TOO. He had grown men all over themselves trying to help him...WHERE DID IT LAND HIM?
BETTER YET WHERE DID IT LAND THE GROENE CHILDREN AND THEIR FAMILY?

JoJoFox said...

MR
I understand that What you are doing is VERY difficult..(It is why cops so often lose it...)You have come too close to all of the hellish details..You have read all the "detailed" legal documents that are appauling and horrific at best....you are furious that NO ONE kept a better eye on him......It is upsetting.
You are angry and upset.
Just keep your best foot forward...(You do have one of the BEST blog sites on this issue..:)

After having read all the documents and all Jet's blog entries...it's hard not to feel how hard he worked to repent and reform....I personally have a hard time reconciling that the person who wrote so strenuously and deeply about TRUTH, and GOD and LOVE and REDEMPTION could ram a hammer through the skulls of a terrified bound up family, kill a child with a shotgun and repeatedly sexually violate and humiliate innocent children. The two don't come together for me....I don't understand and it is so troubling. While I was reading his blog, I actually found myself pulling for him and wanting him to "be all better". What a wretched life he suffered and what a deranged monster he has become..
What devastaing hell he left in his wake....
You are doing a great job...beating the presses with your scoops in this case. .Stay objective as you can...try to stay an observer....it helps to do that.
Keep up the great work!

Mickey Rat said...

Thanks, I needed that...

Anonymous said...

I appreciate the title change.

For your information, I have read everything available as it occurred.

To be a novice and start now and to try to see links already pulled, I would be pulling my hair.

To be collecting mails and blogging it responsibly, I would have been long ago bald.
I do respect your attempts.

A great spot/link would be an anonymous site for those who knew Duncan where they could contribute without recourse?

What an insight into his daily life that would be!

A blog from Duncan's friends, coworkers, family....with no trace.


Just opening up a new blog.

Duncan is done. Let us hear safely from others.

Maybe help others.

Mickey Rat said...

You sound like someone who knew him.
I will start a forum for those people...and to be sure that you can contribute without recourse...I will password protect access.
Do you know of anyone who would be interested in posting?
Anyone wanting to contribute will have to prove that they knew him in some way before acquiring a password.

Mickey Rat said...

I also have the option of making it public, but only those with a password can post all others can read only...

JoJoFox said...

I can only image that his family is utterly devastaed...and heartbroken. Can you hear them? ..." He seemed like he was doing so well/..." "he had come so far"....." what the hell happened?"

I pray for the young children in that family...I pray that they are not influenced by the deeds of "Uncle Joe"....how do they live each day ?

I would think that Jet's family needs healing too....and not too many people are sending healing their way, I'm sure !
They probably want to remain hidden at this point...for awhile anyway. I can only imagine their horror and pain.

Anonymous said...

Mickey Rat said...
You sound like someone who knew him.
I will start a forum for those people...and to be sure that you can contribute without recourse...I will password protect access.
Do you know of anyone who would be interested in posting?
Anyone wanting to contribute will have to prove that they knew him in some way before acquiring a password.



No, I didn't know him. I was sympathizing with those who did know him. Anyone with a monster in a pocket needs a chance to vent.
In a way, those closest to Duncan are also victims.

I am only a media victim.

Those who knew him 2000-2005 are the true victims.

They need a place to vent.That is why I suggested it.

That's all.

JoJoFox said...

"Mickey the Celebrity"
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?submitDate=200571521342

You have been quoted in the press...Congratulations!

Mickey Rat said...

Had I known the article would turn out that way I would never have agreed to it. Henceforth...Mickey is Silent. I didn't give that interview for recognition, I did it to get the word out.
You would think a writer for such reputable paper would do a little investigating on our entries instead of debunking them after a minute or two of clicking links. Had done any investigation into at least some of the things we've uncovered...he wouldn't have simply pawned us off as unreliable.
Fishwrap.

JoJoFox said...

Tell you what..
Next time you get a scoop and are convinced of it's reliability....send him an email and give him the lead....It will prove the point and twist his head around at the same time.

I am proud to post here,
Mister MickeyRat !!!

Mickey Rat said...

They're just ticked we're beating them to the punch.
Read:
Technology has given citizens some of the same tools that journalists and law enforcement investigators use, ***with the added ability to make it immediately available to the online world through blogs***, as online journals are called.

Fishwrap

Stillnotsleeping said...

Please, Anonymous, these men deserve to be shamed. As Mickey stated, all were aware of this monster's history. He raped a ten year old boy, at gunpoint, no less. From what I have observed, it is clear to me these men did not support his pursuit of freedom in order for him to contribute to society, or prove he was well enough to live amongst us. Rather, it seems they did so in order for him to be their play thing, their boy toy, their f$&# buddy. These men need to be shamed and humiliated. Their actions contributed to the deaths of four innocent human beings, three of which were children, whose innocence was Wacksman's supposed life's work to nurture and protect.

http://jetduncan.com said...

Hey, you know what? Dave Woelfert began supporting Jet again in 1998. Woelfert is fair game.

These guys (Woelfert & Wacksman) were not concerned with Joe Duncan's welfare. These guys were selfish and concerned only with satisfying their own desire - sex.

Damn Dr. Wacksman. So what he is bisexual!! I am heterosexual, and I am married too. Do you think my wife would let me have a girlfriend lover? BTW, I asked once.. jokingly kinda and she said if I did, she would kill me - I never asked again. Anyway, you get the point.

Wacksman was using Jazzi Jet, as was Woelfert and maybe Crary too. Maybe they like that badboy prison thing or what I think is they wanted someone they could control. Jet was working fulltime, right? Did they pay for Jet's education? Did they pay his rent? I'll bet 'Jeff' who turned out to be Joe dropped a few bucks after his 20 minutes with Jazzi Jet though...

They are fair game.

Mickey Rat said...

Regarding Crary,See Jazzijet's blog...

JoJoFox said...

The Parole Board would not let Jet live with his mother because they described her as being in denial about the severity of Jet's sexual pathology .."in denial and dysfuntion"....Yet these men , who thought they could "help" Jet so much , also were in denial and dysfuntion for not one of them urged him to get into counseling (psychotherapy, etc) or a support group. CLEARLY from his blog , he had enormous unresolved issues with which he wrestled all the time...he was in enormous pain-his blog reveals that ! Yet none of these men had the heart to get him the professional help he needed to resolve and heal...not one. They just did not appreciate the serious and severe psychopathology Jet suffered from. An occassional phonecall, bike ride, trip to Fla, or roll in the "bisexual hay" will not erase years of Jet's pain ...Jet needed a professional confessor....a neutral counselor skilled in treating mental illnesses to help him pick through the pieces of his pathetic past. How the hell did Dr W, David W.or Joe(jeff) (whatever) think they could actually help him-get real!?! Not one of them had the psychiatric skills to help him, each one a megalomaniac in his own right! Their interventions simply put a bandaid on Jet's cancer.....the disease kept spreading...devouring Jet from the inside out...and destroyed the Groenes.(and others)
Yes...those friends need to do some serious soul searching...because they helping Jet to fight his battles-they helped him to lose the war.He crashed under the pressure of keeping up the "all's well with me" facade. He crumbled... Lives were scarred and lost. Some will never recover....Even if Jet is executed..his damage will leave its wake through the lives of his victims and survivors long after he is gone. Jet needed serious help..all the experts stated that in the Parole, Court, and Mental Evals..again and again and agian...Too bad Dr W, David W, and Joe(Jeff)didn't respect that.

It takes more than a well intentioned act of kindness to make a mental illness go away. They really let Jet down..they turned out to be just a dangerous to Jet as his mother was.

Hindsight being what it is...(sigh)

Mike Schuler said...

It should be clear that the need to protect our citizens and children outweigh the possible contributions to society from sex offenders released back into our midst.

It should be clear that trying to rehabilitate sexual psycopaths like the 17 year old Joe Duncan is extremely risky business. The only solution is to lock them up forever. No second chances. If even one fact is clear, it's the fact that Duncan couldn't contol himself. We can contol him, with a steel and concrete cell with the door welded shut.

Anonymous said...

I'm with you Mike!